First Birthday

Tuesday, July 27, 2004

Giant Schnoodles of Joy Retrospective on Their First Birthday

Here are some questions, answers, emails and stories of Giant Schnoodles spanning their first year.
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ABOUT GIANT SCHNOODLES: Giant Schnoodles are a New Hybrid Bred Specifically for Service, Agility, Carting, Doggy Dancing Canine Freestyle, Obedience, Farm Work, Horse Following, and All Round Family Pet. They are Generally Non to Low Shedding, Strong Enough to Pull a Wheelchair and Cart and Seem to Be Hypoallergenic to Many allergy Sufferers. The Puppies, are Great With Children. Giant Schnoodles are Hybrid Standard Poodle X Giant Schnauzer. We are finding that the Giant Schnoodle of Joy has tremendous intuitive abilities. 2 of them and a giant schnauzer have shown that they have the ability to do pain alert. i.e. Warn me before I have a painful episode. Xena has alerted me and woken me when my blood pressure was rising dangerously. I expect that they would be excellent for seizure alert although this has yet to be studied. Perhaps someone out there in cyberspace would like to fund a study on their ability to do seizure alert and other intuitive functions. If that’s you, email Joy at

Xena saved my life. At 5:00 AM Xena, my Giant Schnoodle of Joy woke me. I had excruciating pain in my left should blade. I was lighting headed and dizzy. I had difficulty getting enough air. I was soaked from the waist up in sweat. I tried to make myself believe I was imagining it. I got up to go to the bathroom and then lie down again. Then I thought I might have to have some medical attention later in the day, so I decided to prepare. I went to the 40-lb bag of dog kibble, which I keep in a lower cupboard. I tried to pick up the scoop. I groaned out loud in pain. I was in too much pain to feed the dogs. Then. I realized it wasn’t my imagination. If I was in too much pain to feed the dogs, there must be something really wrong. The ambulance came. My blood pressure was 200/100 and rising, which is dangerously high. It could cause a stroke or heart attack. My beautiful wonderful Xena, my Giant Schnoodle of Joy had save me by waking me in time. Xena went to the hospital with me (she’s a service dog) and stayed 3 days by my bed with no playing even though she’s just a puppy, a year old. She rode around on the gurney with me for all the tests. When they did a cat scan, I told her to down stay on the gurney and she stayed there while I got into the machine that went whrrr whrrrr back and forth over me. Nothing phased her. My biggest problem was trying to keep the staff from petting and distracting her. I really needed 2 dogs: a service dog for me and a therapy dog for the staff. Thank you Xena for saving my life!
After 3 days, I was discharged from the hospital with no damage to my heart, no stroke. Just more expensive medications to keep me healthy. I have returned to the usual fast moving pace of my life.
Scroll down to see how Schnoodles Ballard saved the life of a baby foal.


Emails from Giant Schnoodles of Joy’s puppy parents:
For emails from Giant Schnoodle of Joy Puppy Parents read on: (Note: one of the puppies name is named after me: Joy. I don’t carry the firewood in my mouth, however I am deeply honored)

Wow a year went by so fast......I have been so busy with camps, breeding , training and foaling out.
Schnoodles is great...he loves his mother for sure!
First about him....His hair is as soft as when he was a puppy...really really soft and fluffy. We try different hair cuts all the time...I feel like I have a barbie doll. I just recently trimmed off his hair in his face,,,it seems much dryer around my house. He sleeps on my bed touching me all night long.
He loves my little toy poodles, the barn cats and all other dogs. There's not a time ever that when I leave in the car that Schnoodles isn't sitting right next to me.
I have to tell a short story about when I went out to check mares, to make sure they were not delivering foals without help. I have to keep Schnoodles on a leash because he sometimes thinks its ok to go in search of ???? when nobodys around. SO I tied his least to a mares stall that wasn’t due to foal for a week or so. I was up at the other end of the barn isle cleaning up.( about 140 feet ) Well Schnoodles would not shut up...I kept screaming at him to be quiet, but he just kept growling( which I had never heard him do ever) I just thought he was mad that I had tied him. When I finished cleaning I was pushing my cart by him and he still kept growling -this was so weird, for some reason I decided to look into the stall...and almost died...there laying in the stall was a foal still in the sac!!!! THe mare had givin birth , placenta and all. and the foal was dying! I just about jumped the gate and ripped on the sac....This little tiny filly lay lifeless.....she was so small i was able to lift her up side down and get most of the fluid out of her lungs...It took an hour and half but she eventually got it together with her struggle for air.... I thought she would be oxygen starved and slow, but after we got her up,,,,she opened her mouth and went for the food!!
I will always listen to Schnoodles growls from now on....This foal would have absolutly died if it had not been for him.
He is a great guard dog in the truck...much more then my Rotti. I will measure and weigh him today..I bet he weighs not much more then 60 pounds,,,hes all hair and legs....oh ya he ran about 6 miles yesterday following us on the 4 wheeler, and went swimming at every pond we came to....water is his favorite....Theses dogs should be called water dogs! Great long flat strides...He trotted most of the way while the lab cantered...If he were a horse he would be considered a wonderful mover...and one more thing JUMPER! oh my gosh, he sails over everything! His dog pen, which is super super large, used to be a horse paddock, had electric fence on the top rail (5 feet) . This fence always kept horses in, but Schnoodle could leap out in a single bound! so i had to put electric on the top!
more later about the wonder dog
Ruth Ballard

>>> Joy De La Ren 04/11/04 11:35AM >>> Hi Steve, Thanks for the info. May I share your email wi other Twinkle parents and interested people? Joy Sure.
Steve Nobach wrote:Hi Joy. Here is some info re Gwen. She seems to be fully grown--FINALLY--and now weighs about 50 lbs, so still behind the other Twinkles. Gwen is very smart and STRONG and loves my wife and two daughters dearly. She is not a barker, and is very friendly with other people and dogs. I have never heard Gwen growl or show any anger or even distress. She minds well overall, but has a will and can be naughty on occasion. She loves to take our socks to the backyard and can be very sneaky in doing so. She will also snatch human food if she can seize the opportunity, even though she knows that is wrong. Gwen is very fast and agile and loves to romp around in the park; her favorite haunt is the Oregon coast. She also is very content sightseeing while riding around in the car with us--she likes to either sit straight -up or lie down on the back panel, which other people find funny to look at. Gwen is just a delightful companion and we enjoy having her as a member of the family very much!!! Her genes are worth keeping on the planet. I will email you some pictures when I get a chance. By the way, Gwen does not shed except little tufts of hair that we find infrequently. Have a good trip.

I was sooooooo excited to hear about the other Twinkles. Joy is the light of my life....and has become the light of my husband Don's life as well. Joy is still living with him on the ranch and I go home frequently. She is much happier with the freedom she has much as I miss her being with me full is much better for her to be in Idaho on the ranch. It looks as if I will be able to transfer home in the near future and I look so forward to that.
Joy still spends most of her time pursuing the "ranch dog" lifestyle. She is absolutely wild about water. She plays in the irrigation water...the horses' watering trough...and will run and jump into our big tub when we say "bath time". She sits by the side of the tub if either one of us are soaking..hoping we will invite her to join us....NOT HAPPENING". She helped carry wood in this winter...if the door was open she would bring it into the house and lay it on the fireplace hearth...otherwise she dropped it out on the porch.
She and Zippy (the cow dog) have a morning ritual. Zippy sleeps out in the barn....he shows up every morning at the patio doors...Joy runs over and barks...her request to let him in.....then they rip and tear...jump on each other and roll around....get the sock and play tug-a-war. They also go gopher hunting together..sometimes you look out and all you can see are tales in the air as they dig. She and Mr. Bauch (the schnauzer) play "socky" as well but he plays with her only as long as he wants to and then gives her the "back off Joy" bark which sometimes she listens to but sometimes she pushes him to the....I'm going to bite your heard off, sister..growl.
She has her "Timmy's in the well" bark....we say what do you want, "show me" and she very gently takes you by the wrist and leads you to the dish...or door...or whatever.
She is wonderful with the grandchildren...she seems to know she could knock them down....Kori (the 2 year old) gets her around the neck and just stands and gently hugs her...Joy thinks that is great and gives her kisses. They have 14 acres they just built on (about 10 miles away) Joy loves to visit. She and Kyle (5yrs) go exploring together. You see them side by side going across the field.
Her favorite place to go is to Todd's Burger Hut where she gets her ice cream cones....they all know her and greet her with "the usual" which she replies with a polite soft bark "please". She eats her cone like a dainty lady licking it around and lasts her the 3-4 miles home...she is usually ready for the cone just as we pull in the driveway.
She sleeps on the bed with us....and stretched out she covers the entire width of the king size bed. She weighed in at about 58 lbs las time at the she is a sleek machine...she has not put on any excess weight after being spayed.
Well like the other owners....I could go on and...........on about my Twinkles and still not have covered even a small amount of the "Joy" she has brought to me!!!!!!!!
I hope it brings you a warm fuzzy feeling to know how much these wonderful Twinkles mean to all who own them.
Sandra, Don, Zippy, Mr. Bauch........and of course...JOY.

GIANT SCHNOODLE OF JOY DESIGNATION: The Giant Schnoodle OF JOY Designation is Given to Any Giant Schnoodle Who Meets Joy de la Ren's Stringent Testing Criteria for Genetics and Orthopedics as well as approval of the Bloodlines. Giant Schnoodles of Joy Do NOT Have Their Tails or Ears Docked or Cropped . Joy Considers This a Form a Ritualized Abuse. The Designation OF JOY, Can Only Be Bestowed on a Litter With Full Permission of Joy de la Ren.

Q & A

Hi Diane and others who have contacted me with questions about my Giant Schnoodles of Joy. This is a hybrid standard poodle X giant schnauzer. As far as I know, this is the first litter deliberately planned and the only litter I know of, who’s parents have been fully genetically tested and hips xrayed. Both parents are AKC reigistered so it was possible to check the pedigrees and match them. The Giant Schnoodles of Joy, or Twinkles, as they are fondly called are one year old as of April 9, 2004. As this is the first litter, it has not been possible to answer all the questions up to now. Even now, many questions still remain. I will answer what I know and share some emails from other puppy parents which they have given me permission to do.
I orginally decided to breed a giant schnauzer to my standard poodle because I wanted the poodle trainability with the Giant Schnauzer strength, heat resistance and incredible intuitive ability. I wanted a non shedding dog which both breeds mostly are. (I say mostly because I have had poodles and giant schnauzers that have blown their coats. Usually its once a year and comes out in tufts. Or the GS leaves some straight mustache hair around the food dish.) I bred them as a service dog for myself, intending to do only one breeding so I could have a puppy as a service dog. I use a wheelchair on and off. My giant schnauzer used to alert me before I would have a painful episode. If I listened to him and did some interventions before going into pain, I could often avoid being in pain and having to use a wheelchair. I have observed this intuitive ability in 3 dogs now. 1 Giant schnauzer and 2 giant schnoodles of Joy, one of which was not my breeding. At one year old, Xena, my Giant Schnoodle of Joy Pulls a wheelchair, does 3 hour downstays, goes to meetings, Pulls me in a dog cart by herself and teamed with her mother, standard poodle, Karma, Does doggy dancing, canine freestyle, knows about 20 different steps, stays focused in supermarkets and in large groups of people. Attends and listens to large noisy groups of folks singers with instruments, behaves, mostly, in restaurants (the pizza crusts on the floor is a challenge), sits at the edge of public swimming pools, stays in luxury hotels. Travels by car, plane, boat, bus, has yet to do train. Downstays during massages, treatments and doctor visits.
She learned to pull the wheelchair in 2 weeks. Learned to pull the dog cart in 4 weeks.
As Diane is assessing the dogs for service I will start by focusing on her questions.

Dear Joy, I am Diane Shotwell. We had communicated about a year ago about your breeding. I am still doing research on ideal breeds for the larger disabled person. The same issues are being researched. (large, substantially built dog for the mobility service dog that would be suitable for support work for the average to large sized male. Attention is being directed to size, bulk, health/hip/joint issues, life span, non/low shedding, intelligence and temperament.)
How are your puppies progressing? Was the cross everything you had hoped it would be? How much weight do you think this cross could bear comfortable and safely? What do expect the life span to be? What are the coat issues, if any? And of course temperament...
I would love to see a picture of one of the grown pups. What was the average height and weight of the puppies?
Diane & Raven

1. Intelligence, Temperament.. The Giant Schnoodle of Joy has the best temperament and intelligence I have ever experienced in a dog. And I have owned many dogs. Xena the puppy I kept, is almost human in her intelligence and understanding. Her temperament is steady, never fearful and she has never shown any aggression or anger in any way. She will bark at certain people as a warning. She is discerning about who she barks at. She is not a barking type dog. I don’t think I have ever heard her growl. She is playful and has a terrific sense of humor. But she takes her service job very seriously and loves to work. She maintains focus in public when required to do so, even when people attempt to distract her and believe me they do it all the time. I’m better at training dogs than I am at training people! She is steady on boats, planes, car, bus, hasn’t done train yet. Nothing bothers her including dropping stuff from high shelves that land on her. Don’t ask me how I know She does 3 hour downstays. I have taken her to meetings. I recently spent 10 days at a health spa hotel. She downstayed by the pools including the indoor pools where there is a terrible echo and screaming kids. She downstayed during my massages and treatments. She is sweet, affectionate, laid back, loving and loyal. When doing a downstay at the edge of the pool she keeps her eyes focused on me at all times.

2. Trainability Xena is the most trainable dog I have ever had. At 1 year old, she does service, wheelchair pulling, carting (and I mean driving and pulling me). She does doggy dancing canine freestyle and knows at least 20 steps already.. She has a huge vocabulary. The whole litter was housetrained within days of their going to their new homes at 8 weeks. Xena has not had any accidents since 8 weeks in spite of rescue dogs peeing on the carpet.

3. Was the cross everything you had hoped it would be?
The Giant Schnoodle of Joy is everything I hoped they would be and more than I could have imagined in my wildest dreams.

4. Coat and allergies Except for blowing her puppy coat, she is essentially non shedding. They appear to by hypoallergenic. The VP of children’s hospital has a very allergic granddaughter who lives with her. When her granddaughter came to see the dog, her throat closed up and she broke out in hives. Since I have a cat, we decided to wash the puppy. I took the puppy to Petco. I told them not contaminate the fur by putting the puppy on the floor or in the dryer, just to wash him and hand him dripping wet to the perspective owners. This they did. They were to take him home for a week. The granddaughter is fine and they have had him with no problems ever since. The little girl lies on the dog and puts her face right into his coat. So at least in her case, the dogs seem to be hypoallergenic. 

5.  How much weight do you think this cross could bear comfortable and safely?
The dogs seem too have maxed out at between 55 and 58 lbs. The smallest female, Gwen was a little less. The males and females seem to be about the same size. They are about 22 to 24 inches at the shoulder. I had hoped they’d be larger and that was my only dissapointment. However, they are extremely strong. I think for wheelchair pulling, and cart pulling, they could pull 180 lbs. I have not tested for more, so I don’t know. As for height for balance, one might experiment with the rigid harness used by the blind. After a lot of discussion with a person with cerebral palsy, who needed a dog for balance, we thought a great pyrenese crossed with a poodle might be good. But I don’t know the breed and don’t know what the coat would be like. Having recently travelled with Xena, I have concluded that the size is actually perfect for a service dog. She fits under the seat in a plane. Even the puddle jumper commuter planes and yet she is still strong enough to pull and do all the duties necessary for a service dog. She has a large chest, and is heavy boned. In fact, you might loosely compare her bulk with a weight pulling pit bull who are strong and compact, but she moves with the grace of an Afghan. In fact, I am often asked if she has Afghan in her. Her mother, Karma, is a 45 lb poodle who pulls the wheelchair, and has all the titles it is possible to get in carting. I would just like to mention that Karma got her final title in driving, pulling me on the grass and had to start from a full stop. So the poodle, even small ones, are very strong as well.

6. . Life Span There is no way to predict what the life span will be. However, they are early maturing. A poodle usually takes 2 years to mature as do most service dogs. They usually don’t even start training until 18 months. I started service training at 4 months. By 8 months, Xena was mature enough to start serious training and did not manifest silly puppy behavior during serious training. See her skills written about here at 1 year. This indicates that with proper training you will get a very long service life from this dog.

7. Intuitive powers I would like to comment on the intuitive powers of this breed. Xena started giving me pain alerts at 7 months. It seems to me that it would be a short cross to do seizure alert. I would love to have the money to study this aspect. I would also like to mention that Ruby, a rescued giant schnoodle, not my breeding, also did pain alert. (I will re-post the story of Ruby upon request) So having had 2 schnoodles and a giant schnauzer do pain alert, I am thinking that that ability comes from the giant schnauzer. I have trained a giant schnauzer as a service dog. He was an adequate service dog for me. Probably not for a non trainer. He was a superb carting dog. The poodle is a great service dog. So I think this hybrid mixes the best qualities of the 2 breeds. I think the mother should be the poodle, not the GS because of the training given by the mother.

8. Tails
Here is an email that explains how and why I left my tails long.
Dear Joy,My question is about docking their tails, which I realize is an American thing. Did you dock your pups tails, and if so, poodle or schnauzer length?Thanks for your time
Hi, NO NO NO! I don't dock. The tail is absolutely beautiful! It is held in different positions depending on the mood of the dog. It acts a rudder making her more agile. It is a beautiful, fluffy plumage, sometimes held like a samoyed over the back and sometimes it looks like a gorgeous afghan. In fact, I've been asked if they have afghan in them. It is usually wagging and makes people smile whenever they see them. Unlike a lab, her tail has never knocked anything off a coffee table. But even if it did, we don't lop off children's hands do we? I must say I struggled over this one. In fact, I took the litter to the vet to have the tails docked because people had me convinced that for service, the tail would wag and hurt or injure a person. A Giant's tail is so thick. But I'm really glad I changed my mind. The tail is like a soft bunch of feather dusters. It does not hurt if it hits you. The only place is gets in the way is at the supermarket when she lies down when I'm stopped to look at something and someone almost runs over it with a cart. So, I am very glad I didn't dock and I never would in the future. The tail is gorgeous. So I figure that since I started the breed I get to set the standard and the the dog is perfect au naturale. I also think that docking and cropping is ritual mutilation supported by the AKC. In my humble opinion, not that I’ve ever had a HUMBLE opinion, it is no better than clitorectomies and should be outlawed! I wish someone would start a petition to the AKC

9. I am often asked if I will do an F2 breeding.  My answer is a definitive "I don’t know". The hybrid vigor of poodle to schnauzer is a compelling reason not to. The Giant Schnoodlle of Joy is almost perfect as they are. There is no reason to breed back to a poodle as the coat is already non shedding. The litter seems to breed true. Pictures show the looks of all the dogs to be consistent. Reports from the owners indicate consistency in intelligence, trainability and temperament. I do own an intact female and the breeding rights on a male, so I will never say "never". If the right dog comes along with sufficient testing and I think there is a reason to do an F2, I might. But I think I would keep the mix 50/50 because they are so perfect just as they are.

In conclusion, I would say that the Giant Schnoodle of Joy makes an excellent service dog. Also, as the families attest, a wonderful family pet. They are also extremely agile, make a great agility dog as well as excel at other dog sports. They do well with children as well as running with horses. One of the puppies, named Schnoodles (read about him below) is at a horse camp for girls and is doing great there. I also want to mention how gentle Xena is. She is careful not to walk on me when on the bed. I have never been hurt by her. My 12 lb poodle has given me more pain especially when jumping on my bladder in the morning!
To describe Xena, I would say that I have had willing dogs before. But never have I had a dog with such willing exuberance! She is so anxious to please that whatever I ask her to do she does with gusto. She seldom needs to be scolded and if scolded goes into immediate submission although she is not a submissive dog. She is friendly and outgoing with strangers and other dogs. I would say that this hybrid appears to be extremely compliant. However, I must put in a disclaimer about nature vs nurture. I am a dog trainer. I start training from the moment of birth. For example, I human imprint my puppies. That means that they are with me 24/7 from the moment of birth. I take them to work with me. They sleep beside my bed. They see human me as their leader from the moment of birth. While the mother dog has some influence, they see humans as a leader in the hierarchy from day one. I start clicker training at 4 weeks. They are never allowed to nip. I "nip that in the bud" the first time it happens. Probably the reason that they housebreak so quickly is that I keep them spotlessly clean at all times. That’s a lot of work! But since they are used to being clean, they want to be clean. So they are pretty well housebroken by the time they go to their new puppy parents. So it is difficult to say what is the breed and what is the training. However, as you can see from the emails below, there are many qualities that are consistent even though the puppies are in different parts of the country. 

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By popular request, and although this post is very long, I am posting the story of Ruby:

People often ask, how can you train a service dog and then give them up?
I received a call from Ohio. Ben was distraught. His whole family was grieving. They had a giant schnoodle who they had to put down last week. Only 19 months old, she had a stroke or a brain aneurism, no one really knew, but suddenly she lost control of her back end. She couldn’t walk and lost control of her bowels. The only compassionate thing to do was to put her down. They had found my web site on the internet. They wanted to know if I had a giant schnoodle of Joy puppy. "No", I told them, "but I have Ruby. The Crown Jewell." I told them how Ruby, who is not my breeding, came to me from Washington state from someone who didn’t have time to train her and had crated her for 8 hours a day. I told them how I had started training her 2 months ago for service and now she could put on a service jacket and go into a grocery store with almost perfect focus. She would heel beside the shopping cart or electric scooter and sit while I shopped and not even sniff the produce. She did exactly what I trained her to do. She took her responsibilty very seriously and I told them how, when she came to me, she was very verbal and unhappy. I asked her what she wanted and she told me almost in words: "I want you to change my name (which I did) and I want to learn things that will make you tell me I’m a good dog". So I spent 2 months training her. Ruby became a wonderful, happy dog. I so wanted Ruby to go into a home as a service dog. As it turned out, they had a 13 year old girl who is paralyzed from the waist down and uses a wheelchair and crutches. But they had never considered a service dog. They just wanted a pet.
I asked the temperature in Ohio. About 0 degrees. The planes won’t ship live animals when the temperature is under 40 degrees. "is there any chance you could all come to San Diego?" I said without much optimism. "Ruby is well trained enough to put on a service jacket and travel back in the cabin of the plane as a service dog on training". We will definitely consider it Ben said. They would call me back. The next day, they called back and said the whole family would arrive in San Diego on Friday.
Friday was a typical sunny San Diego day. They all arrived: jBen, Danielle, 16 year old Miah and 13 year old Theresa. They met Ruby and it was love at first sight. They took her to lunch while I worked in my office. When they returned, they reported that Ruby had behaved very well lying under the table at the In and Out hamburger stand. I worked with them for about 3 hours. I taught them her commands. I took them all for rides in the dog cart with Karma (my standard poodle) pulling. But what Theresa was most excited about was when I put a handle on Karma’s harness and Karma pulled Theresa in her wheelchair. Ruby wasn’t trained to pull yet, but they have a trainer in Ohio and Ruby would make an excellent wheelchair pulling dog. She is very strong and steady. She also does a good brace for getting up and has a great retrieve instinct for picking up items dropped from the wheelchair. I already had her trained in basic obedience for service: heel, sit, stay, don’t sniff in the supermarket etc. They began to see the possibilities. I could see a whole new world opening up for this family as they discovered the independence Theresa could have with a service dog. They talked about how Theresa hardly ever went into the family room because it is downstairs and although she can make it downstairs, she can’t carry both crutches. So she hardly ever goes downstairs. They were excited about the idea that Ruby could bring the crutch downstairs. I taught them how to give retrieve commands as we threw the ball for Ruby. And then how those commands could be transferred to a stick, a bigger stick and then the crutch. They planned to hire a trainer, so I suggested that the trainer would be able to teach Ruby how to distinguish and fetch different objects. After the 3 hour training, we were all exhausted. I gave them Ruby’s shot records as well as her evaluation and her ribbon from a mini match that Ruby had participated in the day before. I took some pictures of the whole family with Ruby. I said goodbye to Ruby. They piled into their rented car. Ruby went happily, totally focused on them, her tail in the air. Ruby never even looked back at me. But I heard her say very clearly: "This is my very own family now. I’m in the right place. This is where I’m supposed to be. I’m happy now. These are MY people. I own them!" She was totally happy. It was obvious. What surprised me, was my own feelings. She never even looked back at me and I wasn’t hurt or sad. I felt really good. I realized that I had given Ruby the greatest gift: The ability to please her people and thus to fit in and be truly loved. I learned there are many kinds of love. The love I gave Ruby was a love with boundaries. The boundaries were that I knew I would not, could not keep Ruby. I loved her. I gave her the skills so someone else could love her. I gave her the training she needed so that she would do well with another family. And I was able to give her up with the love that one feels when the one they love is truly happy. Its an unselfish love that I wasn’t aware of my capacity for. I got very close to Ruby living with her and training her every day for 2 months. But I didn’t give her the same privileges that I gave my dogs. She was never allowed on the bed. I petted her and kissed her nose, but I never hugged her or got on the floor with her. She was treated differently and we all knew it. She was loved, but she was here for a purpose. She was here to be trained and learn how to be socially acceptable. She was here to follow orders, learn who was the boss and to trust the boss. The bonding we did was a bonding with boundaries. Although I’ve placed plenty of rescue dogs, I don’t usually train them to this level for this length of time. And of course, she is a giant schnoodle of Joy, my breed! This was a very special dog and a very enlightening experience. This kind of love is the loving one enough to let her go and live in love.Update: Ruby made it home on the plane. She behaved perfectly. The airline crew, passengers and everyone loved her. She had her first experience with snow. Everyone is happy with Ruby. I’m very proud of her.

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